To whom it may concern:
If you happen to be the one who told my g*ay coworker that he is going to hell, please kill yourself.
Thanks!
--IceCapp <3
P.S. I gave you decaf this morning, while you were on your way to church. Hope you fell asleep while preaching hate :)
Wow... I would have gone with decaf and a few rinse shots for good measure. I've gotten my share of various preachers trying to convince me to come to their churches but nothing this asinine.
"You are going to He11."
"What's that?"
"He11..? It's where evil people go. Satan is there."
"Huh! Never heard of him."
"What do you mean?"
"Well my people just believe in G--."
"Your people? Who ARE you people?"
"We're the Chosen People. Maybe you have heard about us. You took one of ours, blamed us for his death, and used his teachings to create your religion, then spent the next two-thousand years hating us, a$$ whole."
What a judgmental, self-righteous, dogmatic, fundamentalist, SOB. If there is a He11, there is a special room there for those sorts of folks.
Are we not allowed to say anything, or refuse service in that type of situation?
Because that's when the level becomes more personal than giving him decaf shots... That is a BIG problem for me.
One time a customer was screaming at the top of her lungs F THIS F THAT to my ASM and Then she refused service, said heres you're money, I apologize but I can't serve you. She then contacted the DM and told him what happened and explained her side of the story, but she was gone within a week. Fired.
So if someone is yelling at the top of their lungs taking personal attacks and you can get fired for refusing service, does that mean if someone tells you you are going to hell because you are gay, can you get fired for speaking up? If so then I need to contact Howard.
This makes me so mad. I would have wanted to stand up for my gay co-worker, or if I was the gay one I would have said something...
I think that what the POS said would be covered by freedom of speech and personal opinion, and since there were no threats or derogatory remarks made there is little that could be done. No way that could be a civil suit, and I think that any remarks made by the employee could come back to bite.
Anyone who has gay friends or has spent any time with homosexual people knows how ignorant those remarks are. It has been shown that Alzheimer patients who have lost all touch with reality, forgetting who they are, their friends, and their relatives still retain their sexual orientation, gay or otherwise.
Being gay is not a choice. Being an ignorant, homophobic, judgmental preacher who thinks G-- needs his help to do his work is a choice.
Now.. if he was a Catholic priest, and you were at the counter, how many "little boy" remarks can we come up with...?
Maybe he11 is a sweet new nightclub... we should all go!!
Wouldn't fly at my store. Maybe he wouldn't be outright banned immediately, but our shifts and SM have our backs if someone attacks us personally and we take charge of the situation. Most of us have had to do it (mostly it's just crazy raving homeless people), and it's crazy how quickly we can go from a happy, smiley "Hi! How are you today!" to a strong, stone-faced "Sir, you need to leave this store now."
If he can come back and keep a civil tongue in his mouth, fine. He's getting dead decaf shots and a few rinses, but fine. If he pulled the **** again: "You need to leave. If we see you in here again, we're calling the police." And if he puts up a fight either time, or refuses to leave, pull out the phone, inform him that you're calling the police.
That was one of my first on-the-floor lessons with my trainer, that you should never feel like you have to put up with that.
He claims he has the right to freedom of speech? You start dialing and inform him that you have the right to not be harassed or attacked in your workplace.
"Folks like a man of God."
"No, they don't. Men of God make everyone feel guilty and judged."
- Book and Mal, Firefly "Safe"
"I am, actually. I'm going to reserve a special place for you in my people zoo."
Zoo! Hillarious!!!!!!!
@Ice, I think he needs cleaning tablets in his coffee. G-d hates HATE.
@Randy, I get the same thing. All the time. Everywhere. Try being MOT (Member of the Tribe) living in the Bible Belt. At least they don't ask to feel my horns.
@hush: I was thinking more on the lines of santorum shots....
Not a customer who is pastor, but.....
The other day a man approached the counter and informed me that since Washington state has legalized gay marriage, and that Starbucks supports it, that he will no longer be buying coffee. I stared blankly at him for a moment, and said, "oh, ok" I was a little taken back. He then continued on about how it was such a disservice to Christians, though he doesn't have a problem with gays....uh huh, sure...I continue to bite my tongue when he continues to go on and on about god, gays, marriage and how wrong it all is. Finally I asked him if god was ashamed of gays who go to church, if so why should they have any faith. The man didnt respond, but continued on and on. I then had enough to inform him that I felt that god would be more upset for him for making god seem like such a hateful entity. He then said..."well I just wanted you to know what I thought" and walked away.
Now, I am not religious. I don't like organized religions, churches, and all of that. I do however believe there is a god. But now, as a straight person, I was greatly offend by the **** spewing from his mouth. I can not even imagine how that would have felt for someone who is gay to be bombarded with so much hate.
I would have told him that it's okay because there is no god.
Then make him wait 20 minutes for his decaff shots to age and his milk to go stale.
Kind of off topic but...what is a rinse shot?
He said he will no longer be buying coffee. So was he in line only to be an ****? You wasted way too much time and energy on this fool. I absolutely refuse to be drawn into any discussions involving religion or politics at work. Just not a good idea for so many reasons.
I'm gay, none of that stuff bothers me because its just so ignorant. I don't believe in any religion, because I'm a man of logic, and I find it incongruous to that. Maybe being gay influenced that idea, I dunno, but moving forward...
For the most part, people can't tell I'm gay. Unless I'm excited about something, then the way I express high emotion can get a little colorful, but I like that about me lol. I've never ever ever once in my life been approached by someone who had something to say about it. And it really doesn't bother me, because I view people who hold very ignorant ideas as inferior to me. Maybe I'm wrong for it, I don't care. When I hear stories like these, I'd like them to go one way:
You use facts to make them look stupid. IE, ask for the history of marriage, and when it predates their religion and originally incorporates gay unions, have to see what they have to say about that. Then go about serving in a condescending way.
I am very good at not caring about things. I am very good at being an **** a not giving a fxck (I learned that from my mother) if what I'm saying is highly offensive. I can really say something that would start some shxt, and I wouldn't have a hesitation. I love getting into these discussions with people because people get really upset when it comes to their faith. I don't go around offending people for the fxck of it, but dont even try to shove your squishy thoughts down my throat. You don't wanna go there with me. It can get really ugly, really fast, and the nastiest part is I wont get emotional but I'll prey on it when you do.
I am the first to be admit, I can be a real.sweetheart. And that's the Enjay everyone knows. And people sleep on me because I'm usually very warm and sunshiney lol, no one expects me to have aa bite. Buuuut, don't get it twisted, I'm Latino from Jersey - I love a good fight.
Dopieopie said: "The other day a man approached the counter and informed me that since Washington state has legalized gay marriage, and that Starbucks supports it, that he will no longer be buying coffee."
My reply: NO COFFEE FOR YOU! NEXT!!!
The out-of-wedlock under-35 birth rate is now over 50% of total births for that age group. SO, in my opinion, the problem is not with homosexuals. Feel free to use that one!
And really, the bottom line: If someone has a problem with gay sex, just tell them, Gays should be allowed to marry. What are you worried about? You don't want gay people to practice same sex intercourse? Is there any better way to get people to stop having sex than marriage?
Take the laughs with you to work today. You folks deserve them!
This makes me sick.
The man who tells another man that he is going to hell (which no one is able to tell another person beause only God knows where we end up) should not be negatively labled "Christian", even if he is. We don't lable Jeffery Dahmer, Kim Jong Il, Stalin, Mussolini, or Alfred Kinsey "athiests" we call them "murderers, tyrannical dictators and child rapists".
That pastor may very well end up in Heaven, even with his outrageous offense to God, because if Christians believe in anything it's the plenary substitution of sin for Christ's righteousness when he died on the cross.
For that matter, the gay coworker may end up in Heaven just the same.
Myself, i struggle hourly with a general hatred toward people and jealousy and unwillingness to submit to people of authority. All of these things i would say are far worse than loving someone of the same sex. Christ said hatred is like murdering people and i will end up in Heaven because it has nothing to do with what you DO, it has to do with if you're forgiven for what you do. And to be forgiven you need to ask, which is something most people do silently so it's not like we'd actually know anyway.
MobilizedPartner, Christianity is only 2000 years old... because it started when Christ was born. There was a faithful following of people who were waiting for that to happen before it did. The entire Old Testament was written by them. They were called "Jews".
Randy, i think a common misconception about Cristians is that they are offended by gay sex, and we wish to deny people the right to get married because of that. The fact is, to us marriage is gifted by God and it was meant to be one man, one woman. It doesn't matter if you take a piece of paper that says you're married and put a state seal on it, and pay a tax for it because God says you're married not the state. The same goes for divorce, really.
I personally get offended when people try to say that America is a Christian nation, because of all the things it does that are offensive to God, the LEAST of which is issue marriage certificates for same sex couples.
If i were to ever run into that man, i would say "Brother, there are so many other ways you can be helping God's people".
Well, the "history" of marriage (and so therefore, same sex unions) predates reliable recorded history. Depending on certain cultures, anyway. The real issue is, there's what marriage really is, and then what certain groups think marriage should be. I think the problem has more to do with people's beliefs and religious convictions than anything else, really, because just about every argument against gay marriage has a formidable counter.
By technicality, we are not a Christian nation - because we are not a nation that, in theory anyway, adopts a specific religion. There's what the popular religion is, and then there's what we are. I don't see how issuing marriage certificates to same sex couples is offensive to God, but even if it is - so what? There is such a thing as separation of Church & State, something that is arguably not followed very much, but it is very much real.
I don't care if what anybody does is offensive to a specific group. If me being with a gay, lest that relationship include sex, marriage, or whatever, I don't care if it makes anybody feel uncomfortable. It isn't hurting anybody, and if it means I go to hxll, then so be it. I've heard its quite lovely this time of year, and I look forward to the scenic vistas previewed in the game Dante's Inferno. I personally don't plan on getting married, but if I so choose to want to, I will, and no one is going to say anything about it.
Hopefully once this all pans out, we can begin to put forth focus on issues that aren't so hotly debated but could certainly use the attention. Like healthcare. Or the education system. Ya know, something that actually matters. Not anyone's personal beliefs, I couldn't give a fxck what anyone believex, it isn't relevant to the grand scheme of things.
Well, if the "history" of marriage predates recorded history, then how do you know what the "history" of marriage is?
Who said I knew that?
So, you don't know that the history of marriage predates reliable recorded history, you just guessed?
Wait, MP is a svelte gay Latino boy from Jersey? I always thought he was a sassy, curvaceous diva with acrylic nails that could gouge out an eye from ten paces.
HONEY YOU JUS DON' EVEN [Z-snap]
OH No YOU DI-INT!
lmfao, Señor stop it right now, I didnt even say anything about being Latino and from Jersey in this thread!! And acrylic nails doe?? Get out!!! Lol, I don't know why anybody here would think that, I say nothing that could lead anyone to think I'm a belligerent woman from the hood lol
@Human - I know it as well as anybody who is presently alive and can extended even a finger of effort to look into it. That's the funny thing about history. Cuz, ya know... you weren't there.
I think you're confused about what history is.
Saying that something like marriage existed before reliable recorded history is like saying something looked pretty before eyes evolved. WTF would you know that?
You talk about something as if its factual and then ask:
"Who ever said i knew that?"
And then say you know it because it's easy to read up on? What was there some significant cave-man drawings depicting two dudes getting hitched that was discovered early this morning and i haven't caught it on the news yet?
Also:
"I am the first to be admit, I can be a real.sweetheart. And that's the Enjay everyone knows. And people sleep on me because I'm usually very warm and sunshiney lol, no one expects me to have aa bite. Buuuut, don't get it twisted, I'm Latino from Jersey - I love a good fight."
It seems to me like not giving a fxck sounds a lot more like shutting the heIl up, not ranting on about whatever comes to mind. You have spell check, doesn't make you intelligent.
History? History is something crazy christians altered to work in their favor.
Duh, that's what I learned in East Texas. Especially in Elementary school singing "God loves all of us (except the mexican kids)" and that "if you don't believe in god, you won't have any friends."
In all truth, that second quote was said by my 3rd grade teacher and she was forced out of the district a few years later after ending up in court for saying that to a few asian kids.
This is America. Everyone is free to do what they wish. It's a simple concept that da.mn near everyone can grasp (except Westborough Baptist Church).
"I think you're confused about what history is.
Saying that something like marriage existed before reliable recorded history is like saying something looked pretty before eyes evolved. WTF would you know that?"
Well, dinosaurs were around before recorded history. So.
"You talk about something as if its factual and then ask:
"Who ever said i knew that?"
Clearly you've got a few things twisted - but let me just address the fact you're either twisting my words or you aren't reading what I said correctly. Or maybe I didn't express it properly. What I said was that the history of it predates any real reliable source. Early findings suggest same sex unions are nothing new sweetie, and before that who knows?
I know you certainly don't. (Technically, nobody does.)
"And then say you know it because it's easy to read up on? What was there some significant cave-man drawings depicting two dudes getting hitched that was discovered early this morning and i haven't caught it on the news yet?"
Lol, see last comment. I don't really get what you're trying to say here. That's a religious institution, alwas has been, and modern day whatevers have the right to dictate how its done? Please, elaborate.
"It seems to me like not giving a fxck sounds a lot more like shutting the heIl up, not ranting on about whatever comes to mind. You have spell check, doesn't make you intelligent."
I'm actually more amused that I actually DID say I was Latino and from Jersey on this thread when I said to Senor I didn't lol. Thanks for catching that.
Moving forward... I don't care what "seems to you" whatever you think whatever is. So. It means to me whatever the fxck I want it to, and you're squishy thoughts don't influence that. Hohum.
I like the back handed insinuation that I may not be intelligent (presumably because I use spell check to mask that? I don't know. You were vague and not really making since. Which is typical of your side of these conversations) but let's try being a little more original if we're going to resort to ad hominem to seem like we're proving a point. It makes it seem like you actually put some thought into it.
All that having been said, these conversations don't ever really go anywhere because belief systems are not something I can, or really even want, to dissuade. Let's just look at things from a constitutional point of view. Cuz ya know, this is America - I think we, as a republic, have forgotten that. At the end of the day, let's just hope the American spirit prevails, anything otherwise would be counter to what our forefathers have sacrificed for.
"Well, dinosaurs were around before recorded history. So."
Dinosaurs left something called "fossils", so.
"Clearly you've got a few things twisted - but let me just address the fact you're either twisting my words or you aren't reading what I said correctly. Or maybe I didn't express it properly. What I said was that the history of it predates any real reliable source. Early findings suggest same sex unions are nothing new sweetie, and before that who knows?"
"Well, the "history" of marriage (and so therefore, same sex unions) predates reliable recorded history. Depending on certain cultures, anyway. "
These are two different sentances, saying two different things. Did you realize that? Or does "squishy" logic and syntax not matter to you either?
I feel like i have been pretty clear, so i'm going to rule out that the mistake is on my part and just go with you have no idea what you're talking about.
Just to clarify "Early findings" would be an example of a source. To say there IS no source that is reliable and then USE a source to back your claim up... Well, do you have schizophrenia? Because short of a mental disability i just don't have any idea why this would make sense to you.
look y'all it's history class on the internet!
Not aimed at anyone- just some observations:
NEXT WEEK'S CLASS SCHEDULE
Mon: The Spanish Inquisition: Justifiable Religious Torture and Murder
Tue: WWII: The Vatican's Blind Eye turned towards the Jews
Wed: The Crusades: Smelly, Illiterate Europeans
Thur: The World is Flat: Just Ask the Pope
Fri: Coffee is Seen as a Religious Evil [added to stay on topic]
History does show that there are few factors, if any, that have caused more death destruction and hate than how organized religion has perverted the teachings of the great people of our world. Whether it is Moses, Abraham, Budda, Jesus, or Mohammed.
Here's one for the masses: For those who take the Bible at its word, and believe in its teachings, how many slaves do you own? Do you believe slavery is right? The rules for owning and treating slaves properly is in the Bible. You do not? That's good. But if YOU can pick and choose what is right and wrong, or what you believe or do not believe, or practice or not practice from the Bible, so can we. Let's all put things into perspective and realize that Christianity is a minority religion, so as you practice your dogma, there are more people that believe you are wrong than there are who believe that you are right.
My philosophy: Stop worrying about what comes next and concentrate on what is now. The Golden Rule is a darn good place to start. If you believe in an afterlife and rewards thereof, and you think you are or can be forgiven, Keep in mind who God's chosen people are and who will be in charge when you get there! ;-)
LIFE'S TOO IMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!
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