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  • Started 11 months ago by URDRWHO
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  1. URDRWHO

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    I've owned my own business for thirty years and have a very loyal customer base. I understand customer service very well.

    I sit at SB with a group of people that can vary from 2 to 10 people, the individuals vary from day to day. We sit outside at the tables and talk. Some of the people are retired and sit there for a long time, most people have the gold card and get refills using it.

    I spend about $50 a month at SB, some of the people spend more and as a group we probably spend several thousands dollars a year. We are known by name and the SB people will sit with us on breaks.

    Ok now about customer service.

    When you have clientele that is spending a lot of money, loyal customers there are times when you should bend a bit for them, bending the policy makes for good customer satisfaction. Like the bartender may give an extra pour to that nightly loyal customer. It is called customer service, it is called goodwill and it is what keeps the customer happy. Recently we were at a restaurant and they made a mistake with our reservation. The manager came to our table and said we each get a glass of wine on the house and a desert on the house. She gave us $40 worth of goodwill. The next time I am in St Augustine Fl. I will eat at that restaurant and I will tell others about how much that restaurant cares about customer service.

    Because I run a business I can't always sit with the people and talk. They sit there and will get refills with their gold card. Sometimes I will go to my office and come back in an hour, sit with the people and talk a bit. For a long time I would get a refill using my card, never knew about the on premises rule. Today the manager called me on it and in front of a line of people. Call me embarrassed and then I got PO'd. There is about ten cents of product in that refill, I spend $700 a year, maybe even more. In my world of business goodwill the manager should have just refilled the cup like everyone else and considered it goodwill.

    It will cost her because she poured a $600 cup of coffee. I can go to Seattle's Best down the road which I also like or I can make coffee at home a lot cheaper. If the manager keeps messing with the group, a ten cent cup of product could cost her store thousands of dollars. Actually I told the people at the table that they will see me but I won't be buying any SB coffee.

    Do they teach managers about goodwill, about customer goodwill? There have been many times that I didn't make as much money on a client because I went the extra mile for them, I lost a bit of profit but such servicing has allowed me thirty years of solid referrals.

    Too bad because I like everyone that works at the store. Funny thing is that all the employees call us by name, except for the manager. You would think that in four years, the manager would take time to get to know our names, after all she sees us every day.

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  2. espressojunkie

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    It's this kind of sanctimonious garbage that is creating the entitlement complex amongst customers. Here are some of the billions of things wrong with what you just said. Your first mistake was going to a forum where most of the people are disgruntled Starbucks baristas, so I don't really know what you're expecting but you're not going to get an echo chamber.

    Second, you are acting like that "extra pour" is expected for regulars. Unfortunately, businesses work best when there is one standard used for everyone. Sometimes, yes we bend the rules, but it's only if someone is being exceptionally nice (at least for me). If you're a ****, which judging from your post is probably pretty likely, expect to not get those freebies from your baristas, I don't care how much you spend at the Bux.

    Third, there is a refill policy. This may be the first time you got called on it, and if so consider yourself lucky. People trample all over our refill policy and try to get exceptions for themselves. Well tough. You leave the store with your beverage? Refill privileges go out the door too. You sit around and keep the same beverage for more than two hours? Sorry. Want a refill of your frappucino? Cry me a river. The fact is in the long run customers are going to get so demanding and needy from "just saying yes" overriding any sensible judgment that the ability of the customer to be a decent human being is going to dwindle to nothingness, and you sir are one of the catalysts of this happening.

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  3. NewSBuxSM

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    From your eyes...sure it seems like just one cup. From the other side of the counter you may see it differently. What you haven't seen is the 10 homeless people before you who rummaged through garbage cans to find an empty cup to try and get their "refill". Or maybe the 20 people who saved their cup from the day before and come back the next day trying to get a "refill". And while you have the luxury of working for yourself, she doesn't. She's the one that has to put up with trying to meet ever increasing sales targets while at the same time fighting against this new "My Starbucks Rewards" program that has taken away 2.5 times as much sales as it did just one year prior...and we're talking thousands of dollars per month. Starbucks goodwill program is now that Gold Card you talk so highly about and the policy for refills are clearly listed online when you register your card. What you're asking for is above and beyond goodwill and really just makes you look cheap. As long as she is applying that policy the same way for each customer...then really you're the one in the wrong here. Even in your example with the restaurant making a mistake with your reservation...they were in the wrong so the goodwill was warranted, but in this situation, Starbucks hasn't done anything wrong. If you really feel that bad about...you can pay them back for all those refills they shouldn't have given you in the past after you left and then returned..you should be thanking them for giving you the benefit of the doubt in the past and just giving you a refill. Starbucks gives out goodwill all the time...but when it's deserved.

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  4. Unsweetened

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    This isn't exactly the place for this kind of complaint. But... I will comment...

    Most managers will "just say yes" to customers... it is a practice of Starbucks, to an absurd extent. The customer is always right, even if they are blatantly wrong. Because Starbucks "values" it's customers and tries to procure that loyalty. Though, it isn't genuine goodwill we show... and the company just cares about getting your money. But honestly, a few unhappy customers aren't going to put a dent in their profits.

    So go! Spread the word! Tell all your friends and family how awful Starbucks is! Let's take this company down! ;)

    I don't care if they're profitable. I only work here. And it is, in my opinion, not a company worth anyone's loyalty.

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  5. URDRWHO

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    EspressoJukie that is an interesting business model you are working with "I don't care how much you spend at the Bux." It is a business model that brought Circuit City to its demise and a lot of other American businesses.

    Most of the people working at SB are young and myabe don't understand how to build brand loyality or customer loyality. Somone mentioned that it is an entitlement. Well if the gold card gives you free refills, then the reminder of the policy is a contract of time and place.

    America is filled with one hit wonders, where they care less aobut building loyality but care only about that quick profit. In thirty years I've seen hundreds of salespeople go for that quick hit, they gotta pay this weeks rent, they don't care about two years down the road. Such is the business model you point to - "I don't care how much you spend at the Bux."

    A perfect example happened yesterday. I spent three hours trying to help a potential client, staff spent 2 hours working on it but in the end, we could not help. I gave him a name of someone that possibly could help. This afternoon I get a call from the guy and he thanked me for my time and said the person I referred him to did help, cost more money but he got what he needed. He said BTW for my help he gave my name to another person that should be calling be to do business with me.

    SO those hours that I made no money (in fact lost money) may pay off in spades but only in the future. Your business model of "I don't care how much you spend at the Bux. " would never fly in the real world of business. Vendors often give discounts to their good customers, you use the hospital on the insurance preferred list and you get a discount, it is the way the business world works. It is not an entitlement it is goodwill. If you ever do have training you will come to find that goodwill is on a balance sheet and will be a dollar credit not a debit on that sheet.

    Seems this is a list of a bunch off hornets that are PO'd. As far as being a bitc* - that isn't me. The employees like me and have never given me anything to complain about.

    Oh this is nothing about taking this company down, it is about one store in one town, in one place in the USA. But the demise of many big USA corporations started in one small town, started with one bad policy and there isn't anything that makes SB immune to it. The futures markets could throw a blow to the coffee house, we are in a deep recession and $5.00 drinks aren't selling like they did, SBUX Q10 has worrisome words. Krispy Kreme was once a stock that couldn't be stopped, Best Buy was opeing new stores nationwide but all that has changed.

    With a possible double dip recession around the corner reversal of furturnes will be at hand.

    At the start of the 2009 recession Schultz didn't present good news........

    Sunday, March 22, 2009

    At this year's meeting, held in Seattle on Wednesday, there was nothing in the way of buzz, and Schultz introduced nothing new, except for a focus on "value" and a fresh effort to squash the "myth" that "there is a $4 cup of coffee at Starbucks."

    Problem is, it's not really a myth. Some of Starbucks' coffee drinks do cost $4 and even more. But even when they cost less, they are still an extravagance. And in a recession, extravagances are the first thing to go.

    These are tough times for Starbucks. It's been closing stores by the hundreds and laying off workers by the thousands. People started skipping Starbucks even before the recession got really bad. Fewer people are going to Starbucks. Same-store sales dropped by 3 percent in 2008. Before that, of course, Starbucks drove its business through expansion. It went way too far, "watering down the Starbucks experience," as Schultz himself once put it, and turning off customers. Now, the recession has thrust Starbucks into an existential crisis -- one that is largely of its own making.

    But the company can't afford to stay angsty. It has to work hard to stop customers from fleeing, it has to cut costs, and, to placate shareholders, it has to find new areas of growth.

    A major problem for Starbucks is that, these days, you can get a good cup of coffee at a Chevron station. Starbucks' astounding growth -- it was opening eight new stores a day just a couple of years ago -- was possible because of the dearth of good coffee elsewhere.

    That's no longer true, and the "Starbucks experience" that Schultz constantly refers to is really all he has to offer. But "experience" (store ambiance, personalized service, etc.) is a tough sell during a deep recession, so Schultz is now trying to make the Starbucks experience a "value" proposition. Those two concepts might seem at odds, but so far, anyway, Schultz seems to be pulling it off. "

    Take note of the "turning off customers" and "of its own making" they aren't my words, they are the words of the CEO of SB.

    Interesting to see what you all think about the customers that spend money at your stores. Time to wake up and think about where the money comes from to pay your wages.

    Oh and about leaving the store. Perhaps you didn't read that I was sitting outside at the tables provided by Starbucks, the chairs, etc. It is part of the store.

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  6. espressojunkie

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    Well, you're taking what I said and running waay out of the left field with it. You shouldn't be treated like the reincarnation of Elizabeth Taylor because you spend X amount of money, you have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Expecting goodies to be showered upon you because you have a shiny gold card and plunk down some change at the Bux is utter douchery. [You already get a free drink every 15 and on your birthday, and now you want free drinks, free refills whenever, basically whatever you want. Jesus.]

    Plus, you're wrong about why Circuit City closed- it was due to inopportune real estate choices and a failure to invest in key items. Help yourself to a history lesson. The little blurb about poor customer service? Oh, Hamilton referenced the reason for that being canning the higher-paid, experienced sellers and paying kids a $7/hour cashier wage. What do Starbucks employees make? $7.40-$8/hour for the most part. If anything, feel free to blame corporate and our CEO you cite so highly for allowing workers to be paid and trained so poorly, because I think that's a boat we can all get on. But I'm pretty sure your Circuit City parallel works more in our favor than in yours.

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  7. Unsweetened

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    For the vast majority of us, this isn't a lifetime career... it is a wage-slave job. In the long-term, who gives a ****. I hope it goes under.

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  8. Jett

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    As a customer who has gone down this road on this forum, and went down in flames mind you I would quit while you are ahead URDRWHO. :)

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  9. HalfCaff

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    Fyi Seattle's Best is owned by Starbucks

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  10. lightningscar

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    thank god someone finally mentioned that seattle's best is owned by starbucks... So lady you are still gonna pump in cash to the sbux machine... You have no choice!

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  11. STAG★

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    are you seriously wasting all this time typing everything out & making arguments over like
    a cup of coffee
    get over yourself

    as newsbuxsm said, it's not starbucks that messed up, it's you. there's no need for paragraph upon paragraph because "weh weh i didn't get a refill". deal with it. accept paying full price for once, thank them for educating you on their policy & move on.

    the customer saying the company/staff should bend for them makes the customer look like a ****. i've topped off a venti pike for a regular when he wanted to pay for a refill. another time, a customer dropped his coffee outside, came in to buy another. i wouldn't let him, & replaced it for free. when i see a customer who is willing to give again, that's when i feel they deserve something for free.

    also yes go to seattle's best, that will sure show them.

    this is pretty much the worst place for customers to complain.

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  12. URDRWHO

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    cruisyeyes it does seem like a strange place. They claim to be slaves but defend SB. IT is odd. They also seem to be group that don't understand business goodwill. IT is well known that circuit city died because they hired lower wage people with less experience and less product knowledge.

    I didn't say I expect it every day, it happens once in a while.

    Seems to be a lot of people that don't understand the value of taking clients to lunch, of buying your customers office pizza for lunch. They do not understand customer service.

    So as the saying goes about pigs and making them mad, I'll drop this and the so called disgruntled employees can go on. Disgruntled employees that seem to have posted a lot of things on this forum. If it is so bad.....quit.

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  13. URDRWHO

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    Why is a site with a name I Hate Starbucks a bad place for customers to complain. This is one of the oddest sites I've ever seen.

    Seems that everyone hates Starbucks, customers of Starbucks and everything in between. I'm starting to feel sorry for ya all.

    I did learn that in 2003 SB bought Seattle's Best. Oh well I can walk another block to Peets or get over it and go over to the place that roasts his own. It's good coffee and they charge 25% less for a cup and free refills. A bit further down the road but maybe I can entice the crowd to move. Listening to the disgruntled employees on this site is a sickening tone and they have the nerve to say I'm a bitc*. These people dislike the customer big time!

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  14. STAG★

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    you go on abot the recession then LOL QUIT UR JOB IF U DON'T LIKE IT
    because they are just handing them out for free, right?

    what kind of business do you own? do you deal with entitled beasts? suburban mothers? stupid teenagers? are you forced to eat their **** up with a smile because if you don't, you'll get in **** from your boss? maybe you did once. the point is, people at this rung never feel like giving if you don't try to give first.

    because keeping customers is just the most difficult thing in the world to understand, yeah. if you toss a pigeon breadcrumbs it will keep coming back. if you treat a customer to a free beverage they'll come back. see? now i am as profoundly edumacated as you. we have a training section dedicated to customer service, buddy. clearly you don't go to other fast food joints a whole lot. get your coffee from mcdonald's for a while, then complain about customer service.

    sure, some people outright hate their job. but there's a unanimous dislike for complaining customers here as well. we're not defending starbucks, we're defending ourselves because you're blaming the barista for bad customer service here, when apparently they sit with you.

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  15. Jett

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    URDOWHO, I am not going to take your side. What I should have said is I was like you, got steamrolled and learned my lesson, you should do that now sooner than later, just imparting my wisom on thee. Accept that now. :)

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  16. Unsweetened

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    lol, the customer is confused.

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  17. URDRWHO

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    What? "blaming the barista for bad customer service here, when apparently they sit with you. " I am not blaming them, it was the manager. The barista's are really good at it. The customers don't like the manager and the employee's don't like the manager. I think I said it was the manager.

    To stagworks, no I don't go to fast food places. I have not had a McD's in year, KFC, or any other. I go to restaurants. Someone on here was pronouncing how great it was that they replaced a spilled coffee for free. Well in restaurants, you spill your coffee and they re-fill it ....no questions asked.

    Someone mentioned homeless going through garbage looking for cups to ask for refills. DO those homeless have a gold card for free refills? Seriously we don't have homeless lurking outside of any Starbucks.

    Giving out bread crumbs? Well ya better talk to home office about the gold card. I think they won't listen. The company is earning a nice amount of change off the float that is sitting in the gold card accounts. Even though over night funds rates are low, you have a million dollars and that float is some nice extra money.

    cruisyeyes, sorry to hear you got steamrolled. I would wager that a lot of people on here are ex-employees. One thing you never want to do at a place of employment is hang your hat with the likes of the people on this list. They hate the company and have great disdain for the customer.

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  18. Jett

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    I don't think half of the people here know my history, oh well. *walks off*

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  19. Jett

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    URDRWHO, stop being a victim. Mmmmkay? Thank you so much.

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  20. thinkdeep

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    Don't expect Peets to be itself for too much longer. According to rumors around Wall Street, they are conducting internal talks to sell themselves to SBUX for large paper bags full of money. It will probably happen to if they can find a mutual price. Just like Seattle's Best, it will stay branded, just will the profits going to Uncle Howie.

    Don't be whiney on here as a customer. It just gives angry baristias more ammunition.

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  21. Wynnyelle

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    If you have a problem with the policy then tell corporate about it. It's not the worker's fault when they're following policy.

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  22. Fastforce

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    Translation:

    I've been abusing the reward system despite knowing the terms and conditions and now I want to throw a hissy fit on this forum in an attempt to garner sympathy. I want my free cup of coffee despite not being entitled to it at all. Shame on the manager for doing his/her job in making sure people are using the reward system the way it was intended.

    B'AWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

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  23. TallBold

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    I'm kind of in awe. This is like going to a forum about MACs to talk about PCs or something, it's entirely the wrong place. Why not write a letter to Starbucks corporate or something?

    Edit: Wynnyelle made the point I was trying to make much more eloquently. The workers have no control over this stuff, and they certainly don't care.

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  24. extrahotsoy

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    If you have a problem with the prices and the rules, then stop going to Starbucks and stop complaining about it. I am sick of dealing with everyone's whiny attitude towards Sbux and the employees that work for the company. People wonder why we have terrible customer service. Most of us don't. I, for example, have wonderful customer service. It has been whiny customers like URDRWHO that have been slowly making me change my mind on that. If you want free coffee, grab a green apron and get behind the bar. Problem solved.

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  25. banananutz

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    We own an award winning independent coffee shop and guess what, we've gone the extra mile for people left and right and have always gone out of our way for our customers but sadly you know what invariably happens over and over? It's never ever enough. The more we give, the more people want until one day, you just can't give them what they want and they turn on you. How DARE you not give me my ________???? I will forever boycott you and tell everyone how rude you are, I will post evil reviews on yelp and just be spiteful because you won't give me what I KNOW I deserve because I am entitled to it.

    Granted, I hate Starbucks because their philosophy of putting everyone out of business annoys the crap out of me and they are they ones who have created the Just Say Yes Zombie Cult that roams our streets. However, in this case, I'm just gonna say it- get over yourself URDRWHO. It's a cup of coffee. Instead of spewing hate, take a deep breath, in and out and go find some good to do. Change the world one good deed at a time.

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  26. BettyBlondeRoast

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    Wow. The bottom line is that if you leave the store, it's not a refill. Even the info on the cust website says that. Sorry you felt that the partner approached you in offensive way. ("Called you on it.") Honestly, that person was just trying to educate you.

    The refill policy, as we know it in my store, is super generous. Like if you stay IN the store, and started with a tall Frappuccino, we put passion tea or green tea or blck tea in that cup as a refill. Makes no sense to tell you you gotta by a cheaper bev to start. And those refills dont have anything to do with the gold card. It's a benefit at the green level. Hand me any card that's registered, and youre prolly good. BUT you really got to stay IN the store. I think the idea is that if you stay in the store, you might buy food to go with your coffee.

    Breath deep and enjoy the coffee. You can get a cup discount if you bring in your own cup. And I hate to say this but I dont think $50/a month sounds like a lotta money. We have regulars who are definitely spending triple that. The thing of it is, if we dont enforce the rules, we do end up like giving away ten cups of coffee to the homeless guys who fished cups out of the trash. And thats a lot of milk and sugar to go with it, and the tons of sugar packets stuffed into the homeless guys pockets - I have seen that too.

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  27. ryuness

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    Oh no! Teacher told the kid with a psychological disorder that he will have to retake math next year! QUICK, COMPLAIN TO THE STUDENTS.

    I hope that gets the point across.

    Relax. Laugh a little. **** happens. Don't take life too seriously. Appreciate the few that appreciate you, and enjoy another day. And if you feel like you need to get your point across still, you'll want to contact corporate. Your voice is lost here.

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  28. EarlGreyer

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    You started out early on by talking about the bartender scenario. I have yet to see any bar that gives frequent customers a card that lets them get free refills. People spend tons of money at bars, and there are huge markups on drinks - to me it's being generous to even have a $.50 or free refill policy (for gold card members). Where would you like the line to be drawn? If the same visit doesn't work for you - what does? A case by case basis? That wouldn't go over well.

    For a really good laugh, go to Mystarbucksideas.com and read what people think the gold card should entitle them to... like 50% off everything in the store, a separate line, days where pastries are free etc.

    Giving every gold card customer free refills all day long is likely to do more to bring Starbucks down than enforcing a policy already in place that you just happen to not agree with.

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  29. STAG★

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    "Well in restaurants, you spill your coffee and they re-fill it ....no questions asked."

    is this a restaurant. hardly. it is essentially a fast food joint.

    "They hate the company and have great disdain for the customer."

    not really. just customers like you.

    look, not getting one thing for free doesn't warrant all this. you won't get any sympathy here. why dont you go to mystarbucksidea & ask them to change the refill policy, if this upsets you that much. one incident, just because it happened to you, does not mean all starbucks have bad customer service.

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  30. URDRWHO

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    Thank you for this information. We will be spending time evaluating the responses and HR will take a hard look at your placements. Word of advice, you never know when a post is a plant to see what workers are thinking, to see how they feel about customers and how they would respond in a given circumstance. There was only one post that came close to passing the evaluation.

    Thank you for your time.

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