Ok, a new day has dawned on IHateStarbucks.com.
I no longer want to keep hacking the old, tired php on the site, so this is what I propose. These messages will remain up for all eternity. In addition, there is a new Guest book. So if you want to share your opinons, i.e. post to the site, go here. As always, if wish to rant or rave, send me an email:
| Name: | jeb 22331 |
| Date: | Apr 14 2007 12:34 PM |
| hmm..i'm confused. "java chips" only come in cold frappucinos, so no foam is ever put on them. do you mean whip cream?
vanilla latte:
it's just vanilla syrup, (different "pumps" depending on size, 3 for a tall, 4 for a grande, 5 for a venti), espresso shots (1 for a tall, 2 grande and venti), steamed milk (160 degrees usually), and foam. not sure what else is in vanilla syrup besides tons of calories and sugar.
yep. work for starbucks. used to be kinda proud of it too, when i worked for a store where the manager was really nice and everyone got along. i've since moved to a new state, and i absolutely hate my new store. we have a few shift supervisors who are on my back about EVERYTHING (i've worked there 7 months...i was recently re-told how to brew coffee. come on now.), the manager just sits back and watches as we are ripped apart by customers, it's dirty, baristas openly fight in front of customers...fun stuff, i'm telling you. i have a "real" job too...but sadly don't get health insurance. seriously, the health insurance is the only reason i'm still at the `bucks. but hopefully not for long.
oh, yes, and we waste a ton. which is why i feel no guilt giving people stuff for free. at least my new store recycles plastic. my old one did not. that's a lot of milk jugs.
i do like the chai tea lattes though. |
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| Name: | Bubba Roaster 22250 |
| Date: | Apr 12 2007 03:11 AM |
| I own a coffee shop in a small Southern town. With SB's voracious expansion policy and coming South Carolina roasting plant, I'm afraid they're likely to show up here one day. The town cannot support two specialty coffee houses. Does anyone know whether SB's goes into small towns that are not suburbs of larger cities? And when they do, do they just put the locals out of business or do they try to buy an existing store? Thanks.
Bubba Roaster |
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| Name: | defeated 22245 |
| Date: | Apr 11 2007 03:08 PM |
| Can you believe that Starbucks has 94 listings in Chicago alone?? I knew they had one on every corner, but damn. I'm kinda surprised. I was looking at your page that shows alternatives to starbucks' in your area. I know you aren't finished and when I saw one for Illinois I had to check out how many there were in Chicago because I recently visited one that was really great but couldn't remember the name. While I was looking for others I couldn't help but notice that Starbucks made up 75% of Chicago's coffee shops. It was a dream of mine and my friend through highschool and early into college that we would get a little shop up in Chicago and sell coffee, and other random stuff like art and what-not. Dumb dream anyway but really dumb now. Impossible is more like it. |
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| Name: | mrbeachy 22237 |
| Date: | Apr 11 2007 03:08 PM |
| i had worked at a local starbucks for almost 4 months and left last week for a much better paying job. how anyone could buty their crappy coffee which costs SB 50 cents and they sell their caramel macchiatos for $6 is beyond me. there is far better coffee for much less $$. i didnt need any more verbal abuse from "customers" who couldnt live without their stupid coffee. i have been told that many sb baristas have had hot coffee thrown at them,and much worse. sb doesnt care because they can always get some other sucker to work for them."customers" would mess up the condiment stand,bathrooms,etc and then complain that the place wasnt clean. puh-leez :(
they violate health and safety laws by abiding by them,"when they feel like it".they dont even follow their own training manuals. they play games with their "partners" hours so many get cant the insurance and other benefits. schultze is billionaire #357 and he can afford to pay $10 an hour.its ludicrous to be offered "insurance" when the average weekly sb paycheck doesnt cover groceries,gasoline and other necessities. my district manager is a horror who only cares about the $$;nothing else. sb will open say 4 stores in a given area,then they will leave a 10 year store thats old and worn out alone,then my store manager told me,"they complain when you dont make plan". gee i wonder why.
stores are constantly understaffed- try and run a store with 3 people-serving the hot drinks,cold drinks,ringing the registers,serving pastries from the case,restocking the condiment stand,cleaning the floors,bathrooms,etc every 10 minutes? cmon its not feasible. meanwhile the store managers are running around trying to find coverage.
they also discriminate against older workers and steal tips. the amount of food and other items thrown out each day is sickening.they are also one of the biggest destroyers of the rainforest and the people who pick their coffee beans get paid nothing- i have heard 10 or 15 cents an hour.
they are nothing but the wal-mart of coffee and people really need to know what really goes in at this company. dont work for them and dont buy their crummy coffee and other products.go to dunkin donuts,mcdonalds or any other place that sells better coffee for less $$ |
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| Name: | izzeey 22230 |
| Date: | Apr 11 2007 03:08 PM |
| Starbucks have become the McDonal)d's of the world by first offering drive-thru service. Now they are serving up breakfast sandwiches (the classic sasuage breakfast sandwich is equivalent to a sasuage egg mcmuffin from McDonald's). It's the yuppy McDonald's. I personally like to get a venti blended strawberry lemonade when I go there (the yuppy version of a slurpie)....hmmmm maybe next time I go I should ask the "barrista" for a large strawberry lemonade slurpie and a sausage egg muffin...hahaha. There really is no need for barristas in my opinion because starbacks have taken out all the components of making coffee and have simplified it so that all the barrista does is press buttons and scoop ice for frapachinos. bleh!!!! |
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| Name: | turbowray 22184 |
| Date: | Apr 09 2007 05:41 PM |
| To the one who got kicked out for demanding a new drink be made without foam. I would call and ask to speak to the manager, and without anger, ask her why he got kicked out, for asking for his drink to be made right, not half of it being taken out (the foam), because the barista did not make it right. I would also threaten to pay for an add that reports what happened in the local newspaper, if this is not properly taken care of, I bet you get heard then! For the one who got fired for being hurt, if they stated they fired you because they were worried you would get reinjured, did they say this to the unemployment office? If they did, it would be proof to bring to the trial. You can demand a copy of the letter they sent to the unemployment office, stating why they let you go, so you can see what thier \"defense\" will be, or should I say excuses. I would definately sue them!! |
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| Name: | Lee 22120 |
| Date: | Apr 09 2007 10:36 AM |
| I don't know if you all noticed, but the Starbucks CEO was interviewed in the NY Times business section the other week and while out of one side of his mouth he said that he wants his company to be more humane and caring and blah-blah-blah, from the other side of his mouth he said his goal is to have 40,000 Starbucks stores in a decade. Hint: There are currently about 13,000 Starbucks stores right now. For a little perspective, there are 30,000 McDonalds worldwide. This weaselly little bastard wants to triple the Starbucks there are right now! Where the hell is he going to put them all? Baghdad? |
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| Name: | Caroline 21291 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:33 PM |
| I totally agree with you. |
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| Name: | Miranda 21918 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:33 PM |
| I'm so pleased to see that I'm not the only person in the States who hates Starbucks, although it is hard to tell judging by the hoards of people marching by with their little white and green cups. Why do I hate them? I find their plain coffee unpalatable (and I love strong, rich coffee, just not bitter). Their latte's etc are offensively expensive. They are pretty much a virus overtaking the urban and suburban landscape. I would love to go to a local coffee shop instead, but they are few and far between. |
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| Name: | Lisa 21927 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:33 PM |
| I want the recipe for starbucks vanilla cafe latte. Dose anyone know how to make it. I figure if they are hated, maybe an employee can tell me how to make them. I like them, but am sick of paying $10.00 for two lattes...rip off. I tried to make it at home with my espresso machine and thier vanilla syrup and it tastes like crap. Thanks. |
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| Name: | andy 21854 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:33 PM |
| FYI - while going thru a small mountain town to my favorite ski area (where I work) - I drove thru for some coffee. I am particular, hate medium roast, etc., so the conversation ended up telling me about this website and the fact that SB buys beans that have been sprayed with DDT. A company in Everette, WA, supplies the DDT to third world countries who still allow its use. The beans are not shade grown and are covered with ddt - oh boy. Maybe this has already been pointed out, but does anyone have more info.........? |
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| Name: | Dust Buster 21880 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:31 PM |
| Why does Starbucks insist on burning the coffee beans??? I drink only black coffee. I won't waste calories on those coffee drinks they serve, I just want a cup of black coffee. I like it brewed strong. Whenever I have gone to Starbucks I give it another try. Every time I have taken my cup of black burnt coffee back to the counter after my first sip for my money back. It is absolutely undrinkable! I want a nice cup of strong coffee, not burnt crap! I wish Barnes & Noble didn't have Starbucks. I long to make book choices over a nice cup of coffee but I just can't choke down that burnt tar they serve there. Why can't they just roast the beans so they taste good and not burnt or at least offer a choice for those of us who just drink coffee, not those diluted, fat and calorie laddened cups of crap they serve. There, I feel better getting that off my chest. Not that it will get them to make the coffee any better -- but I have vented. |
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| Name: | Starbucks Employee 21983 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:30 PM |
| Well, I posted that message 3 weeks ago, and guess what, i'm fired now, because apparently they cared about my physical condition.
their afraid that i would re-injure my knee, so i'm fired.
what a can of BS, i'm already consulting lawyers, i've got money to burn. |
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| Name: | mommy 22086 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:30 PM |
| to zeus...if peeps treat us that way...we give 'em decaf :) |
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| Name: | James 22066 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:29 PM |
| Went to a Starbucks today...not only did the girl give my order to someone else, but tried to get me to take the (cheaper) drink left over. She said "Well, it looks the same...why don't you try it?"
I demanded a refund, and they also had trouble with that...first shortchanged me be .20 and then gave me .15 too much.
What disturbs me is, maybe I could have taken the cheaper drink...if it was the same, as the girl seemed to indicate, then what the @#$% am I paying extra for? |
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| Name: | Bridget 22026 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:29 PM |
| I hate Starbucks. Why don't people question its existence? I guess paying five dollars for a coffee is more important than human rights and looking out for small business. |
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| Name: | dan 22062 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:29 PM |
| Why do I strongly dislike Starbucks?
You mean aside from the fact that all of their coffee is burnt and tastes like rubber?
They screw over whole nations who depend on coffee as a major source of revenue, while their employees are totally clueless. |
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| Name: | thepoetryman 22081 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:28 PM |
| For a company named "Starbucks"
That lords over a tiny world of even tinier people
And thrives on giving their "coffee(s)"
Such colossally tortuous and frivolous names,
There is absolutely no substitute. |
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| Name: | Cristiana 22024 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:23 PM |
| Now, I have no real problem with Starbucks. Sure, their coffee isn't the best, but it's not Denny's either. I just wanted to say kudos on your site. I find your wit and comments refreshing. Way to be an original thinker and actually have an opinion. |
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| Name: | melissa 21879 |
| Date: | Apr 07 2007 01:10 PM |
| I love your site. I hate Starbucks too. |
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| Name: | Clint Huff 22070 |
| Date: | Apr 05 2007 10:31 PM |
| Generally one would think upon taking a first sip of coffee that they should feel more uplifted and find it easier to go about their day with their livening caffeine fix. However, that was not the case today. Upon taking the first sip today, I was suddenly stricken with the uncontrollable urge to vomit - although being as the coffee sucked all of my breath out, I could not even manage to do that. I am not sure what the coffee was made out of... but I am pretty sure I tasted three week old road kill somewhere in the mix... maybe a badger, possibly a small dog, although I may be wrong... it could have been one of those diapers I spoke about earlier. The next gut reaction was to reach for the first bottle of liquid I could get my hands on (in this case a bottle of water I had to reach into the floorboard for) and chug the entire thing down - HOWEVER - again I was met with a dilemma. Being as I had already taken a drink of this nasty concoction I had been overcome by a horrible sensation. Small yet impressively powerful burps began propelling themselves forward out of my body as if commanded by some inner demon. These particular burps were so incredibly strong that I had to ride with the windows to the vehicle down and the passenger in my front seat STILL almost passed out.
Generally one would think that following a good cup of coffee a person should feel refreshed and ready to conquer the many obstacles that may cross their paths... however again, obviously this was not the case. I took one drink before throwing the coffee away and I guarantee you I will be surprised if I do not have nightmares tonight. This coffee deserves its own horror movie. All I have been able to think of since I drank this coffee is that this experience must be what it tastes like to dig someone up after they have been dead and buried for a while - and not only to dig them up - but to take a giant bite out of their arm. It would honestly have been better to have had a dog turd slushie than whatever I was served today. I am not a doctor but at the time I am writing this email my kidneys feel as if they have been fed through a blender and now have open sores all over them which in turn are bleeding all over the interior of my body. I am worried that this might spread to my stomach and the shitty ass monster that currently resides there might find a hole through which to escape and eat his way out of my body.
In an effort to protect the rest of my friends and family I will be forwarding this message to everyone I know to let them know EXACTLY what happened today. I will ask that my friends then forward it to their friends and hopefully we can ease the pain of all those suffering from the Starbucks Global Attack Front... and who knows... maybe save someone\'s life. Thank you for making such a horrible cup of coffee and opening my eyes to the grave truth that coffee isn\'t brown because of the color of the beans - it is because of shitty asses like the one I drank today. |
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| Name: | Jennifer Butler 22060 |
| Date: | Apr 05 2007 02:36 PM |
| Disgruntled Iced Coffee Drinker:
I work at the Iced Coffee Consumer Protection Agency and I have at home a Liquid Comparison Cup Lab, which I call LCCL. Tonight I will be conducting experiments in the LCCL, using stock of both paper drip cups as well as plastic iced cups. I have to wait until 8pm to conduct this experiment, as I am waiting on the consistency of my ice to equal ice you would get in the store. Furthermore, my lab is equipped with liquid measuring cups, as well as insider information as to how Starbucks produces their coffee.
I will win this battle.
The Research Question: How much actual coffee does Starbucks use to produce Iced Coffee vs. Drip Coffee?
The Hypothesis: I will prove that you receive less coffee in Starbucks Iced Coffee as well as a stale product (depending on the time of purchase) therefore confirming Starbucks practices pricing discrimination among their coffee drinkers.
I will type up the Procedure, Results, and Conclusion after I have scientifically conducted my experiment. According to the data already collected, I can easily provide you with the answer, however, here at the ICCPA, we feel comfortable releasing data after appropriate experiments have been conducted.
Reply from respected lawyer:
A couple of holes in your logic. A cup of coffee is composed of both coffee beans and water. If less water is used to produce the iced coffee because it is double strength, then Starbuck\'s has less coffee to sell per quantity of coffee beans used. So if one, for the moment, removes the ice issue from the equation, Starbuck\'s would be justified in charging twice as much for the ingredients used in the iced coffee vs. regular brew. Adding ice allows them to make up some of that ingredient quantity differential. But the real kicker that justifies a higher price for a smaller quantity of iced coffee is the labor factor. Brewing a pot of regular brew is much less labor-intensive than the additional steps required to produce iced coffee. Seems like relatively minor effort, but I bet it takes at least a couple of additional minutes, and that has two economic impacts: 1) more time spent per cup served, thus higher direct labor cost; and 2) the value of lost time of an employee who while preparing iced coffee is not available to serve more cups of the less labor-intensive regular brew. Assume, for example, that one Starbucks employee can serve 50 cups of regular brew in one hour. Assume also that that same employee, if also serving iced coffee, can serve 15 cups of iced coffee and 20 cups of regular coffee in one hour. Unless the price charged for the iced coffee is greater than the price charged for regular coffee, Starbucks\' profit is less. Finally, elasticity of demand controls the price. So long as suckers are willing for pay more for iced coffee, the market will command a higher price, regardless of the relative cost of labor or materials.
Reply from ICCPA:
You also have to take in account some other factors such as:
It takes an employee just as much time to hand out FREE ice water. According to insider information, Starbucks has a policy that even if you do not purchase anything, you can ask for ice water and they must give it to you. If Starbucks can justify the lost time and wages exerted on performing free work and handing out free supplies, surely they can exclude that factor from the formula used to determine the cost of iced coffee.
Secondly, you must take into account that Starbucks generally makes 1-2 batches of Iced Coffee a day (inside information), however, the average Starbucks (operating from 5:30AM-10PM) produces at minimum 17 pots of drip coffee. I do not have sales reports, but one must assume, that there are a couple pots that are thrown to waste, as Starbucks operates under the \"Must Brew a Fresh Pot of Coffee Every Hour Even if We Have Half a Pot Full\" rule. I am aware that during their busiest times there is probably no loss involved.
The Iced Coffee Consumer Protection Agency will be conducting an experiment tonight. We here at the ICCPA, believe that Starbucks is discriminating against those cold coffee drinkers and we are doing everything we can, to the fullest extent of the law, to protect their rights.
Should you have any questions or comments, please feel free to write back. If you would like to be added to the ICCPA mailing list, please respond.
Thank you and have a great day!
A letter was sent to Starbucks stating how unfair treatment toward Iced Coffee Consumers must stop!
Starbucks Reply:
Thank you for writing Starbucks. The reason Iced Coffee is more is because it is double-brewed. Thanks and enjoy these 2 free drink coupons on us.
Thanks Starbucks!!!
ICCPA reply:
Dear Iced Coffee Pricing Discrimination Sector of Starbucks,
Firstly, I would like to thank you for responding to my original inquiry regarding the pricing of Iced Coffee. In your response, you stated that you price Iced Coffee $0.45 higher than Drip Coffee due to the fact that you double-brew you coffee. In the past few days, I have done extensive research to validate this statement and have concluded a number of findings outlined below.
I started my experiment by purchasing a grande Drip Coffee pretax $1.70 and a grande Iced Coffee pretax $2.15. To make sure my experiment was not disqualified by melting liquids, I asked the barista to provide me with an Iced Coffee ice free, thus making sure the proper ounces received was not contaminated by melting ice. I then transported both beverage to my kitchen were they were measured by a liquid measuring cup. I found that you receive 15.3 fluid ounces (which was
rounded down the 15) of Drip Coffee and 9 ounces of Iced Coffee for a difference of 6 ounces.
I then computed the price per ounce Starbucks is charging based off the grande cup size:
Calculation: Iced Coffee $2.15 / 9 oz = price per ounce $.23888
Drip Coffee $1.70 / 15oz = $.11333
Difference: $.12555
I then computed how many sellable grande-sized cups you receive from one gallon of water.
Calculation: Iced Coffee (brewed on the half) = 64 ounces = 7.11 grande-sized cups
Drip Coffee = 128 ounce = 8.53 grande-sized cups
Difference: 1.42 grande-sized cups
Using the aforementioned calculations, you will find that Starbucks can take either a profit or loss of $2.41 depending on whether it sells Drip Coffee or Iced Coffee, respectively.
To compute how much Starbucks should charge to make up the loss $2.41, should Starbucks choose to produce Iced Coffee is as follows:
$2.41 / x = 7.11 (amount of sellable grande-sized cups)
X= $.34
If the environment were to remain constant and there were no variables affecting the pricing, Starbucks should charge $.34 more per cup of Grande Iced Coffee to break even with Drip Coffee, not $.45. |
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| Name: | Tara 21979 |
| Date: | Apr 02 2007 01:26 AM |
| I worked for Starbucks for almost a year and a half. I was a Shift Supervisor for about a year. When I was first hired I was one of those happy little baristas that was naturally just that happy all the time. For the first five months I had so much fun and loved all of my fellow baristas and managers oh so much. My manager always made me laugh, she was a bigger lady who was always so cheerful but could also be found crying in the back over some ridiculous thing. I was always able to cheer her up however, and perhaps that is why she promoted me before my first sixth month review when many other baristas should have been promoted before me. My Shift training was cut short however, and they threw me on the floor too early because the one and only other shift devastatingly had a miscarriage and they didn\'t feel like working it. For the next few months I rarely saw my manager and taught myself how to run a shift. There was a new store opening in my district and my manager interviewed for it and got it. About a month or so later she left my store to get the new one ready. I was left with three assistant managers and one shift for a busy drive thru store that is open 20 hours of the day. My clueless District Manager wasn\'t able to get us a Manager for almost two months. Finally we did get one, and she was the most amazing manager ever. Unfortunately I had already promised my old manager who hired and promoted me that I would follow her to her new store. The new store opened about four months late, and right before the busy holiday season. My best friend who was a shift from another store in the district transferred over as well because she was dealing with an external manager that didn\'t do anything and was horrible to her partners. (The only reason she wasn\'t fired was because the District Manager was friends with her from church.) Anyways, the new store opened and at first things were going really well. I was with my old manager, my old shift who was now the store\'s assistant manager, and three other shifts. The assistant manager started taking advantage of having the \"manager\" title and sat in the back when she should have been running her shifts. I wanted to transfer up to Alaska for the summer since that is where I grew up and when I told my manager this she stopped talking to me. A few weeks later she scheduled me during my only unavailable day without asking me first if it was okay, she only asked my best friend. I told her I couldn\'t work it and she told me it was my responsibility to get it covered. I was so upset that I wrote a note in the manager\'s log about how our store had a problem with respecting its partners. (HAH) After that incident I had lost all respect for my manager. My assistant manager threatened to slap my other best friend who is a barista in the face for not agreeing to cover a shift on her day off. She wasn\'t joking. My friend called corporate on her and asked it to be confidential. As soon as my managers heard our ASM had been called corporate on, they started interviewing everyone, trying to find out who had done it. They never confronted me about anything, but obviously everyone had denied it, including my friend. They decided that I had done it, among many other things I didn\'t do. The schedules were horrible, people were requesting days off, promised they would get them, and then had to always get those days covered themselves because they were somehow always scheduled during them. My manager and my assistant manager would sit in the back room and talk endless shit about some of their best partners because they couldn\'t handle working forty hours a week and keep their grades up with a 16 credit hour schedule. They would talk endless shit about partners in front of partners, moral went way down and they would blame it on me because I was the one shift they would barely see and they knew I was unhappy with them because they had scheduled me during class and refused to admit to their wrong. Finally, baristas had it and started dropping like flies. My best friend transferred to San Diego and I put my two weeks in as well. The next week three more partners quit and a lot are still thinking about either quitting or transferring out. I used to love my job and this company, but this school year and especially this 2007 year has changed my mind. I was treated horribly and falsely accused for anything that went wrong in that store. The company is dysfunctional, and a cult. My ex District Manager, ex Manager, and ex Assistant Manager are all crazy lifers who treated me so poorly that I can never forgive them. I think it\'s funny that it was in the top 100 companies to work for.. If you like being treated by shit by your customers and managers, it\'s definitely the job for you! |
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| Name: | optional 21901 |
| Date: | Mar 30 2007 11:50 PM |
| I woke this morning to realize that just because I've been loyal to the same company for the past three years does NOT mean I have to lay down and take it like a bitch. Baristas Unite. Start at the source and take down your store manager and then your district manager until all that is left is us, the people with the liberal arts degrees and kids and student loans and car payments, who just want to make good in this life and maybe make a name for themselves. I don't want to be a partner number forever. |
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| Name: | hmmm... 21020 |
| Date: | Mar 30 2007 06:32 AM |
| I have been with SB as a barista and shift supervisor, on and off, for 8 years now. I have walked away from every store with handfulls of awesome friends and memorable 'real' customers. My co-workers were all amazing people, and we treated all the customers with respect, until they showed us disrespect. We get paid poorly, and we're all pretty positive people, but we couldn't handle getting treated like sh** just over coffee, and for such a low wage. There were times when I wanted to walk out, and should have, because some lady had a bullsh** day and had to throw her full coffee cup at me. But it was my job, and jobs suck. All of them do. I could share endless amounts of stories, but I am not going to. My point is this: I love coffee, ever since birth, cause my mum would let me drink from her cup. SB wrecked my love for coffee and coffeeshops. Now I am moving on, in hopes that I can mend my relationship with my beloved espresso. Thank you for your time. |
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