Ok, a new day has dawned on IHateStarbucks.com.
I no longer want to keep hacking the old, tired php on the site, so this is what I propose. These messages will remain up for all eternity. In addition, there is a new Guest book. So if you want to share your opinons, i.e. post to the site, go here. As always, if wish to rant or rave, send me an email:
|Name:||Miffed Manager 02459|
|Date:||May 20 2004 03:43 PM|
|To ex shift supervisor...... I know what my Dm says is wrong (always is!!)The word around is that you will HAVE to be full time to be eligible for insurance.. and the insurance will change to really really bad insurance.. The research I have done shows that Starf*ucks was never unionized... The college kids that owned it didnt need for it to be since they were actually good folks... But I appreciate your reply...
Also my DM wants me to hire his son who's home from college... wtf is that??
|Name:||earned my money 02460|
|Date:||May 20 2004 03:43 PM|
|To Interested, my ex-manager WAS a fun person to be around. Everyone joked w/her and she didn't breathe down your neck to make sure things were done which was a good and bad thing. BUT she used to stay in the backroom working on the schedule for her entire shift while the line was out the door and she would go on vacation every month. She never held meetings, never posted a weekly newsletter which let us know of policy changes,etc. until I spoke to a shift who's close w/the district manager about it, and she called out a lot. She also hired her relatives to work there and cut the senior partners' hours! There was no one set way of doing things so the store was chaotic. If you are a manager who respects your employees, are open to their opinions, do not play favorites, and actually do work go ahead and apply because the managers in my city aren't good.
|Name:||ex shift supervisor 02458|
|Date:||May 20 2004 11:54 AM|
|To miffed manager: Starbucks used to be unionized back before Schultz bought it. PT's would be allowed benifits under most unionized company's. I know...I also have worked in unionized companies. What your DM is saying is wrong. In most union's all employees get benifits
|Name:||ex shift supervisor 02457|
|Date:||May 20 2004 11:40 AM|
|To Starwalkers: you can still sue your DM/SM and Starbucks for sexuall harrassment. contact HR or relevant parties about what your DM said to you.
|Name:||Miffed Manager 02456|
|Date:||May 20 2004 11:20 AM|
|Greetings from Illinois...........
As a store Manager (one of the few good ones) I wanted to ask if anyone has heard about the star*ucks in NY wanting to go union?? Whilst listening to my voice mail this am I heard good ole' Howard saying how upset and dissapointed he was that there is talk of "going union".. I personally think its a great idea!! But... The next message was from my DM who said that if the union is brought in that means no more health coverage for p/t baristas no other perks either....... B4 you all say that there isnt any insurance Let me tell ya if a partner needs the hours for insurance I make sure they have enough for coverage.. I know my DM doesnt like it but I try my damnedest to make sure my partners are happy................
|Name:||ex shift supervisor 02455|
|Date:||May 20 2004 10:14 AM|
I think we worked in the same store. (I think you know who I am) I would you to give me a call or stop by my apt and we can talk over bottles of wine over what happened to you.
To Inerested: There are some good managers and stores out there. But, they are hard to find. I had a former manager who treated her partners with respect and dignity. We worked very hard for her and felt bad when we let her down. She always backed us up against upper management and let us worry about the customers while she handled all the back office stuff(ordering...etc...) She still works for the company(I do not know why, but she still does) She was my manager at the Westfield, NJ store and now is a manager in Staten Island, NY.
|Date:||May 19 2004 11:40 PM|
|I am...or was...interested in the Store Manger position in starbucks...but then I found this web site. So my question is now, is this for real, or are there actually some good managers and good stores out there? Is it worth it to work there, or is this just a case of the 'grass is greener'? Dont attack - I have no affiliation with anyone or anybody, just doing research on different jobs and the starbucks benefits caught my eye. So, is it possible to have a good manager and a good store where employees dont steal and there are employee rights? If you have any advice, let me know - Thanks!
|Date:||May 19 2004 11:39 PM|
|It is sad to even think that 2 curent partners are searching this site. Both being partners of 2 years or more, we have seen and put up with alot of bs, and the reason we are here is to see just what goes on in other stores world wide. our current manager and district manager have a combined IQ = to the sewage that floods our store monthly. The manager docked our pay for 9 months to keep his numbers even and I believe the DM was in on it because termination did not occure. We did recieve our money back but i thought our company was based on dignity and respect. what kind of respect can one have for a company that steals money from its own workers. and b/c of ur manager, everyone that works for starbucks for the benifits are losing them. hours are cut daily, no one gets the schedule that fits their availabilty, partners fight with one another on the floor b/c they are unhappy, and in the end the stupid manager gets the bonus. ordering is done by shifts, although it is not in their job description just to make eachothers day a little better. recently, i (as a shift manager) got written up for not saying thank you to a customer. supposely i wasn't giving "legendary service" but i guess the roaches in the store are doing that for me. i feel like the write up was targeted, i've been with the company for years and have never been written up. i guess like ex-employee i make too much money. it is a matter of time before they let me go as well. being an artist, the DM offered to pose nude for me once in front of my manager who said nothing. Maybe that is what "legendary service" is. this company is all about leading by example! it is amazing what some of the mangers, DM's and above get away with in this company. because of the situation many of the long term partners are now looking for another job with a better company (if such a thing exist) leaving nothing but the stupid manager and new hires behind. i feel bad for the customers, but the company needs to change. and i believe that it is a matter of time before they plumit and are a thing of the past. spread the word and tell as many people as possible about this site.
we'll be back with more horrible updates as they occur in NEW JERSEY. ----Shift+Barista (its enough to run a shift... or the company into the ground)
|Date:||May 19 2004 07:17 PM|
|I like frappucinos. i like delicious caramel apple cupcakes and blackbottom bundles of sweetness....and i like the line out the door, it gives me that pavalonian drool and the anticipation of gut-wrenching sugar bombs temporarily quenching my thirst for something meaningful....oh gluttony, i love you....now be a doll and dollup some chocolate drizzle in a cup of whipped cream on the side for momma?
|Name:||ex shift supervisor 02451|
|Date:||May 19 2004 07:17 PM|
|to Elizabeth: your manager should have not fired you over that. Everyone has had a situation where they have had fake money once in their prison sentence(working for Starbucks). The store manager's should have shown it to the DM and just written it off. That was not your fault...
I think you have legal grounds to sue Starbucks....contact a labor lawyer in your state, each state has different sets of labor rules.
|Date:||May 19 2004 07:16 PM|
|To Elizabeth: Any employer can fire an employee for any given reason, whether it is reasonable or not. Keep in mind that Starbucks is located in Washington State. This State has "at will" employment laws on the books. What this means is, you took your job "at will" and can leave "at will", and SB can hire or fire you "at will" -- meaning no reason needs to be given! You can seek out the advice of the Department of Labor and maybe they can give you some direction. Good luck!
To Nicole: Good for you! Those morons on the phone are useless and rude. I think half of these folks just put the phone to their ear or have a headset to make the rest of us think they are important. It will take more then a phone to convince me of your importance! Get a clue, get a life, trade in your phone for manners.
|Date:||May 19 2004 07:16 PM|
|oh, by the way, in many cities and counties it is illegal to go to a job in which you handle food if you are sick...foodborne illnesses are no joke...the unlucky customer who gets sick can personally hand subpoenas to you, the managers, and even the owners. If you call in saying that you are sick, even if it's a slight fever, and if the shift or manager threatens to fire you, you can easily have a lawsuit on your hands. If the health inspector came on a surprise inspection and saw sick employees, that could be a major violation. And don't let the managers say that it's all your fault--you did, after all, try to tell him/her that you could not come to work. I personally wouldn't want anyone hacking in MY food, and the manager wouldn't want it either!
|Date:||May 19 2004 04:10 PM|
|i was fired about a week ago for taking a fake money order---i didnt even kno it was a money order-i thought i was a travlers check. And i brought it to the attention of my shift, and she helped my enter it in. I knew it was fake ($100.00 money order) but i didnt know how to tell that what i thought was a travlers check was fake or not- starbucks DOES NOT show us even the difference b/t the two and the what to's and how to's of going about a fraudulant money order/travlers check/ect. Has anyone heard of anyone being fired over this???? i been working for starbucks for 2 years. i feel that my boss is discriminating against my weekend only availibility. He told me that corporate contacted him and instructed him on firing me. I dont believe him. I called human resources. but they really havent resolved my issue. I want to know if corporate really wanted my fired and why over something like this???!!! i feel that under the circumstances these past two years my manager is unfit. And he is trying to get promoted!!! I am even going to contact the department of labor!!!!!!! i feel completly offended by starbucks.
|Date:||May 19 2004 04:07 PM|
|I worked at a Starbucks in Bethesda, MD (aka- Land of the Phonies) and it sucked! I swear, one of our shift supervisors acted like the Queen of Sheba, saying things like "I am the shift supervisor, that is MY title, I have a little more responsibility than YOU baristas!" all while flipping her hair. Sister--you wear an apron, a nametag, and make only a dollar an hour more than I do. Get the hell over yourself! (She was later fired for being irresponsible with the money--the first time she had accidentally dropped $20 in my drop box instead of hers, and the second time she had lost $125, but she forgot she put it in her pocket) A lot of the times the SM would hardly work at all--while we were up front busting our tails, he was either in the back reading the paper or in the restaurant eating takeout. And the customers...ugh. Look, if you're going to be so rude as to talk on your cell phone while taking an order from ME, don't expect me to let you walk all over me, you WILL either be ignored or receive an attitude. And don't get nasty with me because I didn't give you the precious whipped cream you specifically said you didn't want while you were on your phone gossiping about who's getting fat in your pretentious little circle. Just because I worked hard to make a living for myself does not mean I have to put up with your money-induced rudeness. I'm not the one who is stupid enough to religiously follow the Fatkins diet.
When I moved to Norfolk, VA and got married, I got a job at a small chain of coffee kiosks (only 6 locations in the area), and I love it! The people down here are down to earth and very friendly, the tips are great, and my bosses and coworkers treat me with respect. The owner of one of the kiosks I was working in bragged to one regular, "We got this one away from Starbucks!" and the customer asked me "Why did you choose here and leave Starbucks?" I told her that I'd rather work in a friendly, family-oriented atmosphere instead of a corporate, commercial, money-grubbing toilet.
***SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL, INDEPENDENT, FAMILY OWNED RESTAURANTS, STORES, AND COFFEE SHOPS***
|Name:||ex shift supervisor 02448|
|Date:||May 19 2004 04:06 PM|
|to everyone on this site:
We all know that going directly after Starbucks is not going to get you anywhere. You have to hit them where it really hurts: $$$$$$ do not buy anything from them and talk to as many stockholders you know and let them know what it was and is really like working for this company. The more stockholders get mad, they will eventually force Starbucks to change their business tactics in relation to how they treat and pay employees.
I have actually had some decent former managers but, all but one of them quit because they got tired of this company. To MY former manager's who still works for the company: I wish you well(no ulcer's/heart attack's) and I hope you do not get screwed by this company. (I doubt if she'll ever read this, because she would never come to this site)
|Name:||Debbie Allies 02445|
|Date:||May 19 2004 11:42 AM|
|Great site! Thanks!
|Name:||Debbie Allies 02444|
|Date:||May 19 2004 11:30 AM|
|Great site! Thanks!
|Name:||ex shift supervisor 02443|
|Date:||May 19 2004 11:07 AM|
|Maureen- the best way I can think is that everyone on this website tell everyone they know about this website. Word of mouth is the fastest way to spread information, email everyone you know and ask them to pass on this website to everyone they know. There is enough ex-"partners" out there to effectively hit every corner of the globe. Also, any current bitter "partners" would be a big help to spread the word.
|Date:||May 19 2004 12:37 AM|
|Sheila: You are unbelievably ignorant. Do you really think that just because our country possesses such a powerful economy, that is why the creators of this site have the freedom to speech?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize other countries like England, France, Canada, etc...were forced to comply with the large corporations of their contries. Thanks, Starbucks!
|Date:||May 19 2004 12:37 AM|
|Do like me and spread the word about this site to some co-partners and all the people you know. And maybe someday we will make a great difference! Thank You Very Much! ;)
|Date:||May 18 2004 09:43 PM|
|I wish there was a way to get these postings out to the public that is spending money at Starbucks. I think if some of these issues were brought to light, perhaps people would think twice about going there. As a former partner, I have seen things that only you guys here can relate to, but the public doesn't know what goes on behind the scene. How can we go public?
|Date:||May 18 2004 05:16 PM|
|Starbucks will never have the guts to sue this site. Think of all the press attention this site will get from the media. Besides, Starbucks does NOT want any of their customers to know about this site.
|Date:||May 18 2004 05:16 PM|
there is just no use. us complaining here and spread to each other what nasty things goes on in the stores. no one who truly cares will hear us. because only WE know whats goes on. we need to do something as a collective. like a petition or write a letter for everyone to sign, talk to the mother company.. whatever.
|Name:||To Stewart 02437|
|Date:||May 18 2004 03:50 PM|
|Starbucks should grin and bear it. The site is protected by the first amendment and it is expressing an opinion (I think we still have that right). The only way they could sue is if the site were trying to pass itself off as Starbucks to trick people into spending money with them. I.E. opening a store called Stirbucks or something. The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) has ruled on the issue and found in favor of a different site. They found that the number of people that could be confused into going to a site by not realizing a pejorative suffix or prefix was de minimis non curat lex. So basically, there is precedent of large companies losing these battles and starbucks doesn\'t need to advertise the fact that some people don\'t like their company. Therefore, the smartest business decision would be to let the sites be.
Of course starbucks has deep pockets and could sue, but they would lose their case and lose face at the same time.
|Date:||May 18 2004 03:33 PM|
|Stewart - I'm unsure of the legal side of things, but so long as the sites aren't libellous, then they're basically just voicing an opinion. Problems could be people using the sites to make allegations which could be judged to be libel, i.e - personal comments about Howard Schultz; or the way sites use the Starbucks logo. HTH!
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